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February 09, 2007

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Lucy Kemnitzer

Those liars' songs go a long way back and all out to hell and gone. I think they're the best when they're sung with a really spine-chilling creepy tune, as with anything by Bascom Lamar Lunsford, or Jean Ritchie's rendition of "Nottamun Town" (as opposed to the rollicking kind which can be wonderful but not nearly as much so). It's a coincidence for me to come home and find you mentioning Lunsford: I was thinking about him all the way home, with his "Dry Bones" as an earworm to keep me going.

Which gets me to this — when the nonsense songs are sung like they're gospel tunes or heavy ballads, they do a thing that gets at the basic meaning-making activity of the human brain. It shows us that meaning is handmade by the observer, and also that it's both delicate and resilient (or do I mean ephemeral and recurring?)

I can't attest to the long haul, since I just discovered your blog a couple of days ago, but I'd say you're doing magnificently and you should keep going.

Jerome Clark

You seem a tad oversensitive about the views of some Tom Waits fans, who (unlike Waits himself) know little about folk music and are content to remain clueless. Screw 'em.

I know a whole lot about folk music, not so much about Waits. What you say in your posting is quite interesting to me, and I suspect that your readers, whose minds strike me as big and open, must feel the same way. More, please, and this time without the apologies.

Alex G.

Seeing Lucy's comment encourages me to step forward and say that I too am enjoying your recent spate of posts. And I'm especially looking forward to hearing about the battle of the jug bands. These two posts on Tom Waits have especially interested me. I've been a fan of his for as long as I can remember, and a fan of scratchy American music (old time/blues/folk/whatever) for several years. But stupidly, I've never made the connection that seems incredibly obvious now that you've made it for me. Thanks.

The Celestial Monochord

Many thanks, Alex, Jerry, and Lucy ...

Jerry, I guess I'm mostly playing the discussion list thing for laughs. To be more truthful, the VAST majority of those folks were fabulous, and the main tensions on the list about my work were my own doing. The discussion list stopped being satisfying after a couple years, but I nevertheless hung on for a couple years more, and badgered people for not being sufficiently interested in what I was saying. It's one reason I started the Celestial Monochord -- so I could start corresponding with people like you!

I don't know if you've heard the album, but some of the cuts on Swordfish might appeal to you. Town With No Cheer, In the Neighborhood, Gin Soaked Boy, A Soldier's Things. That's some good stuff, firmly in the folk tradition, as I see it.

Floris

Hey now Kurt,
I always enjoyed whatever you posted on RD about folk/TW. Every once in a while I notice a few references in Waits songs to ol' blues & R&B stuff - folk not exactly being my forte (although I did spot some "Barbara Allen" references in the Black Rider). 't would be nice to compare notes sometime. In the meantime, I do hope you pass on whatever references you find to the Tom Waits Library (previously Supplement). Keeping things centralized, you know.
Some other TW tunes that should appeal to folk cognoscenti would be Murder in the Red Barn and A Little Rain from Bone Machine. Truly "Smith country" or however you wanna call it, and more naturally so than whatever exercises in folk sensibilities he did on Mule Variations.

Jim Newman

Hi there - this is my first time reading your blog and I'm finding it extremely refreshing to actually read a blog about something i myself find interesting.

I've been aware of the Tom Waits / folk link for a long time now and I'd like to hear him do a straight folk album at some point - but the real reason I'm posting is that I think you've missed a trick here in terms of a reference to this exact same song; the final line, "if you think you could tell a bigger tale" etc... is in fact lifted wholesale from a song called "I buyed me a little dog", of which I have a version by none other than Dave Van Ronk, of whom I know for a fact Waits is quite a fan (Tom wrote an introduction for Van Ronk's memoir, "the mayor of macdougal street").

Regrettably, I don't know exactly where Van Ronk got the song from, and I don't know of any other direct versions, before or after.

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